<div dir="ltr"><div>I'll add that I usually tell NSF proposal writers to say in their DMP that they publicly share what data they're willing and able to. In many cases I can get them to agree that at least sharing the data displayed in figures/plots would be useful to their colleagues, and some are willing to go further in sharing raw data and processing scripts.</div><div><br></div><div>To follow NSF's policy, I agree with Sebastian that if</div><div><ul><li> the peer reviewers of your proposal are alright with your DMP (and what you say you will share),</li><li>the program officer is alright with your DMP, and</li><li>you eventually share what you say you will,</li></ul><div>You're currently good with NSF. And really, the third bullet is a maybe at this time; it's not clear NSF is really checking DMP compliance at present. But they may in the future, and all the funding agencies say that non-compliance with a DMP may count against a prospective PI in future funding proposals.</div><div><br></div><div>-Jon<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 6, 2018 at 8:33 PM, Sebastian Karcher <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skarcher@maxwell.syr.edu" target="_blank">skarcher@maxwell.syr.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Hi Kate and others,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I think it’s important to remember that “The NSF” doesn’t really exist for this purpose. While yes, NSF has one overarching data policy (though directorates have
slightly differing versions), in effect this is determined by a) the program officer and b) the (anonymous) selection committee<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Assessing whether there is enough data sharing is basically a three stage process:<br>
1) We have seen a number of occasions now where program officers have actually sent the DMP back to the researcher and asked them to include more data sharing before sending the proposal out for review. Typically this happens with relatively short deadlines
and is stressful, but it doesn’t, afaik, harm the proposal. It’s pretty clear that how much individual program officers push applicants on this varies a lot.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">2) The grant selection committee does have access to the DMP and is actually required, by NSF rules, to comment on it in their recommendation. In many cases,
they’ll just glance at it and sign off, <a name="m_1587411390676798068__MailEndCompose">but these are, typically peers, perhaps even competitors of the grant applicant and I cannot imagine them looking kindly on obvious attempts to withhold data “to maintain a competitive edge”.
I.e. not sharing “enough” data in the eyes of their fellow scientists can absolutely sink a grant application.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">3) Finally, the program officer reviews and has to sign off on the grant reports. We have strong anecdotal evidence that there is currently very little follow
through on promises to share data, but there is, of course, no guarantee that is going to stay that well, and obviously, not having your grant report accepted is a big problem. (Needless to say, it’s also deeply unethical to make promises to share data that
one does not intend to keep).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I obviously have a bias against researchers who want to share as little data as possible, so take this with a grain of salt, but I do think that the above makes
clear that trying to skirt by with a minimum of data sharing for an NSF grant is a risky strategy. I’d try to discourage it best I could even I didn’t believe it was
<i>also </i>an ethically questionable strategy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">All best<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Sebastian<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> <a href="mailto:rdap-bounces@kunverj.com" target="_blank">rdap-bounces@kunverj.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:rdap-bounces@kunverj.com" target="_blank">rdap-bounces@kunverj.<wbr>com</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kate Barron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 6, 2018 4:01 PM<span class=""><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Rdap] [RDAP] How much data should researchers *actually* publicly deposit?<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When a project is funded by a federal grant, how much raw data are researchers expected to make accessible? Must they truly make everything and anything publicly available, or are brief extracts and/or summary statistics acceptable (in
other words, what is the minimum sharing requirement)? What practices have you noticed among your colleagues/constituents?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am specifically looking at NSF grants, for which guidelines are (intentionally?) vague. I am working with a faculty member who is hesitant to share all of their data, as they want to maintain a competitive edge.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for your input,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kate<u></u><u></u></p>
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