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<div class="">Sebastian makes a really important point: NSF culture and enforcement around data is
<i class="">ad hoc,</i> and intentionally so. The higher levels of NSF administration recognize the slow progress toward open data, but remain committed to supporting communities of practice. They maintain a pragmatic approach that recognizes that what works
for researchers will vary across disciplines. It’s not convenient for <i class="">
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<div class="">Anyhow - what I really came here to share is an example of how attitudes toward enforcement are changing in one corner of the NSF. In the new BIO DEB (Division of Environmental Biology) solicitation, there is a section on data dissemination &
accessibility <a href="https://debblog.nsfbio.com/2018/08/23/the-new-deb-core-programs-solicitation-is-here/" class="">https://debblog.nsfbio.com/2018/08/23/the-new-deb-core-programs-solicitation-is-here/</a>. It reads:</div>
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<div class="">"DEB is ratcheting up expectations of data archiving and accessibility, as is generally the case across NSF. Our new solicitation makes clear that PIs who have had prior support within the last five years must provide details on how data have
been permanently archived and made publicly available. This information should go in the “Results from Prior NSF” section, following the format described in the PAPPG (II.C.2.d.iii). Likewise, when submitting Annual and Final Reports, BIO PIs will be required
to “include information about progress made in data management and sharing of research products (e.g., identifier or accession numbers for data sets…and other types of data sharing and dissemination).”</div>
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<div class="">It will be increasingly important to craft thoughtful and thorough Data Management Plans when submitting new proposals. Reviewers and Program Officers will pay particular attention to how data and specimens are stored and when and how they will
become publicly assessable. For context and guidance, see <a href="http://www.nsf.gov/bio/biodmp.jsp" class="">http://www.nsf.gov/bio/biodmp.jsp</a>.”</div>
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<div class="">A sign of some progress!</div>
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<div class="">I'll add that I usually tell NSF proposal writers to say in their DMP that they publicly share what data they're willing and able to. In many cases I can get them to agree that at least sharing the data displayed in figures/plots would be useful
to their colleagues, and some are willing to go further in sharing raw data and processing scripts.</div>
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<div class="">To follow NSF's policy, I agree with Sebastian that if</div>
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<div class="">You're currently good with NSF. And really, the third bullet is a maybe at this time; it's not clear NSF is really checking DMP compliance at present. But they may in the future, and all the funding agencies say that non-compliance with a DMP
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">I think it’s important to remember that “The NSF” doesn’t really exist for this purpose. While yes, NSF has one overarching data policy (though directorates
have slightly differing versions), in effect this is determined by a) the program officer and b) the (anonymous) selection committee<br class="">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Assessing whether there is enough data sharing is basically a three stage process:<br class="">
1) We have seen a number of occasions now where program officers have actually sent the DMP back to the researcher and asked them to include more data sharing before sending the proposal out for review. Typically this happens with relatively short deadlines
and is stressful, but it doesn’t, afaik, harm the proposal. It’s pretty clear that how much individual program officers push applicants on this varies a lot.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">2) The grant selection committee does have access to the DMP and is actually required, by NSF rules, to comment on it in their recommendation. In many
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but these are, typically peers, perhaps even competitors of the grant applicant and I cannot imagine them looking kindly on obvious attempts to withhold data “to maintain a competitive edge”. I.e. not sharing “enough” data in the eyes of their fellow scientists
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">3) Finally, the program officer reviews and has to sign off on the grant reports. We have strong anecdotal evidence that there is currently very little
follow through on promises to share data, but there is, of course, no guarantee that is going to stay that well, and obviously, not having your grant report accepted is a big problem. (Needless to say, it’s also deeply unethical to make promises to share data
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">I obviously have a bias against researchers who want to share as little data as possible, so take this with a grain of salt, but I do think that the
above makes clear that trying to skirt by with a minimum of data sharing for an NSF grant is a risky strategy. I’d try to discourage it best I could even I didn’t believe it was
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<b class="">Subject:</b> [Rdap] [RDAP] How much data should researchers *actually* publicly deposit?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">When a project is funded by a federal grant, how much raw data are researchers expected to make accessible? Must they truly make everything and anything publicly available, or are brief extracts and/or summary statistics acceptable (in
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<p class="MsoNormal">I am specifically looking at NSF grants, for which guidelines are (intentionally?) vague. I am working with a faculty member who is hesitant to share all of their data, as they want to maintain a competitive edge.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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